Yes I do and that's why I'm here. my favorite and best matches are playen in spawn gear and whatever I can pick up corpse robbing.

This game is just like golf, if you loose sight of the fun then it all goes to hell and enjoyment dropps like a brick.

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I'm with sound guy on this one. Why do you tribes need to ONLY have good players on your team. What is wrong with having people with a good attitude even if they can't cap out a map in 3 or 4 minutes. Is it because you want peeps so shiver when they see the }I{ tag???? I don't know, but if it wasn't for RD I wouldn't have gained a ton of skill in this game. Playing on a team gave me the ability to increase my skill rapidly. It takes time to get better and if you want the best you should train the best. If you think people can never get really good, then how did everyone get so good in the first place? Install the game and click the mouse and you own everyone, no. So no disrespect here, but I think in order for Vengeance to stay alive and to make it possible for many to play beml. Take in some kinda newbies, train them to what you want, and let them gain skill. Tribes Vengeance is going to die if everyone begins to get selfish about skill.

I hope you didnt get the wrong idea...it seems u might have...
I am in NO way criticizing EH for the way he chooses to recruit.
I would NEVER impose "my way" of doing things on another tribe.
I was just tryin to give u an A/B comparison

I will start a discussion on this subject in capt's forum. May I suggest you discuss this in "private" with your capt's and I am sure they will express their ideas/concerns.

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sorry sound guy, thats not what i meant being with you, i ment as in i would recruit like you and lady do, thats all. NOT IN ANY WAY do mean to critisize the other tribes on their recruit methods, sorry, im trying to get use to the forum thing. Still new as to how to word and phrase my posts. So if you would excuse me if my words sound wrong, ill get better.

Forums are the place to post ones point of view...wether it be popular or not...as long as you are respectful..wich i believe you were.

I have begun a thread in TC's forum on this subject.....

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i think you guys have a misconception about how motb recruits :P We were not always a top team and weve never chosen our roster just based on their skill... we started out as noobs just like everyone else. Our policy has always been to recruit hardworkers with good attitudes, skill is a factor but only one among many. we have a few loose cannons but overall we have a great bunch of guys im very proud to have played with..

During TWL, we had the same 10 people showing up every week for almost 6 months. We played all the top teams as much as possible (and got destroyed most of the time) which is how we got good. Osis was the same way, we used to destroy them regularly even as recently as the end of TWL but they kept at it and kept improving, never giving up. Its not because their players are better, its because they work harder than everyone else and play more.

After TWL, 3/4 of our team lost interest and stopped playing and the majority of our team now are guys who are longtime members of our clan who didnt get a chance to play competetively on TWL because they didnt have the time or desire to play at the level we required. We literally have seasoned top players mixing with people who have played the game only a few times and barely know how to use the grapple. Motb has always been about teamwork over individual skill. So that is one misconception about who we are..

But even the new guys we have brought in havent been enough to sustain a consistent team, mix that with morale dropping because of the lack of interest and totally new team dynamic and were barely struggling to keep the team together.

its stressful coming off being the #1 team (undefeated for almost 5 months after 5150, 22 and il dropped) and losing almost all your players to inactivity. It takes time and effort to train new players to the level we are capable of and noone really has the motivation for it anymore. partly that stress is probably why i reacted badly to nxa in our match and apologized later.

So all im saying is, it doesnt make me feel good about the league to have other teams resenting osis, gc or motb based on what i see as inaccurate assumptions. for many of us, the challenge of playing at a high level is what makes the game addictive so with the lack of interest it only serves to make us more apathetic about struggling to stay competitive.

we still need all these teams together to even have any compition ,we lose so what we have fun even when we lose so who cares what other teams do i most certainly dont care ,I have fun playing with the people around me.if some teams have guys running cheats and i know they still do ,who cares i take pride in playing with the game as it comes ,I dont care its a game ,its suposed to be fun,lets keep it simply a game and make it fun wim or lose just dont care of the outcome just enjoy the fact that we can play a game like this against people like ourselves that live half the country away.
lets just play!

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I appreciate everyone's posts and contributions to this topic. You know, that's what I have always enjoyed about the tribes community, everyone has a place and a part to play. And I gladly acknowledge the hard work the good teams put in and the rewards they reap from it. That is why RD thought long and hard about joining BEML. We have never put winning on the top of our list. Yet, it doesn't feel good to lose all the time.

In the early days RD did a run in OGL when we were a T1 team. In T2 we tried TWL twice. The pressure to compete and be in the top 10 took its toll on the team. Our last run at it we almost didn't survive the fall-out. RD spawned two other teams from that experience and we were left to pick up the pieces. From that point on, our goal was to have fun, recruit people who "fit" on the team rather than how well they played. We chose to put families, careers and personal lives ahead of gaming. In other words, we chose to practice only twice a week and not kill ourselves putting in the required time and practice it takes to become a #1 team. We chose to play well, but stay away from ladders that rate you by the rung you occupy, not by the team’s standards, values and heart.

This philosophy has worked well for us and we are entering our eighth year as a team. But I don't begrudge teams who go after that #1 spot. I respect their hard work and dedication. Playing teams like that give us a good spanking, a learning curve and a whole lot of fun. It can be frustrating, I'll admit, but that's just part of the game. We took a risk joining BEML. I’m glad we did. We’ve made good friends and played some very good teams. But if it ever gets to be that our losing means we start losing members, we will quit. For us it is being part of a team that enjoys playing with each other over exceptional skills.

Thanks friends for the support. And RD…remember what we are about. We choose to walk a different path, that doesn’t make our way right. It just works for us.

Seems quite the stretch. I have to admit I am a little offended by this statement. I bet that Osis feels NO resentment. IDK the GC guys that well.
I see no resentment...This is about the use of subs..period. Your insinuating that these are the only teams that work hard and that the rest of the teams resent them...thats crazy. I dont resent skilled players. NEVER had. Been competing in Tribes since shortly after Tribes 1 came out. You may want to rethink this paragraph. The rest makes alot of sense. And so does what Footloose put in Beml TC forum.

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in the quote, i am speaking for myself and my team (not osis or gc) in that i dont like to see us, osis or GC openly resented or mischaracterized based on assumptions as we have been by various posts in this thread. It wasnt my intention to insinuate other clans havent worked hard, just that in this thread- motb, osis and gc were all sited specifically and due to my experience with the teams i chose to speak on it.

I dont mind rephrasing it though. Hows this:

Here are the quotes that i read resentment and mistaken assumptions in:

Like i said...I DON'T agree with all they are saying. They DONT resent you.
They resent the fact that you dont field a team. The statement of "Giving TIps"...thats just crazy...you owe Osis an appology IMHO. They are 1 of the most honorable teams u will EVER play against. They would NEVER do anything like that. If some1 on my team said something like that in public...you would be issueing an appology immediatly.

I obviously missed 1 or 2 sentences when i said "i c no resentment"....I appologize. But i would say that is not the case for most of the quotes u posted. Saying teams resent those 3 teams for their hard-work is still offensive to me...these quotes do not change that. It insinuates others dont work hard..I still say besides the "tip" quote they wouldnt have wanted you to say that. That quote bothers me too. I wish I hadnt missed that. Again I appologize

I would like to reiterate that i agree with most of what you and footloose said. I guess |nXa| chooses a diff way about going about competing in tribes and you would prefer not to bring in new peeps for a specific game.
Your choice and within Beml rules...so i guess its the way its gonna be.

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Yes leave it to the BEML forums and clan capts to continue discussion although I have looked at everyone's point I am in T:V for one purpose and that is to play Tribes with my friends.

As far as competition goes I was in Cobra and it was fun until everyone started getting all competitive which had hurt the T:V team as a whole due to peeps who were more skilled be picked over others who played and devoted time to practices, scrims, and PUs. If RD was like that I would not be here.

If I wanted competitiveness I would have picked another clan. Having fun playing is way less stressful.

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I see you quoted me Enrique. I'm sorry if that sounded funny but would you please read my following post after it. That should clear things up. I in no way resent people and its awsome to see tribes play so well. I just would like Vengeance to continue and I think it will die if anyone else drops from beml. If you, motb, gc, or and other team dont have enough players to field a team on any given day, would you please look at getting more players just for backup so beml doesnt die. Plz don't look at me backwards, i was only incinuating that if I was recruiting it would be in the form of Lady's. Once again sorry for any misconception on my part.

LOL LOOK AT THIS ARGUMENT I STARTED! I feel special now =P

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Catch me if you can.

there is no reason to feel special this argument is not something to be proud of starting

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