kids that age are what you call scriptkiddies.. they have very little knowledge of what they are doing. They find programs on the internet that will break peoples webpages, connect to their computers, or DoS attack servers. All they do is hit a "go" button.

To their friends it looks like they are "LEET HAXZORS ZOMGGGG!!!one!" . In reality, they couldnt and didn't do any of it on their own

I'm 14 and couldn't hack a refridgerator, but like kraska said, what I could do is download a bunch of random bots and I could do whatever I feel like, even though I can't even code that simple "hello world" starter program for scripts... shareware, the great equalizer.

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I understand that. I know HOW to hack, I just don't DO it. There is something inside of me that says its wrong or just not an answer to an end. It has a lot more to do with how you are raised I suppose.

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naw, it has to do with someone being a kid and having parents that dont know enough about computers to teach him to behave otherwise. Moral lessons for kids arn't exactly focused on proper computer behavior.

I did my share of not so nice things with my computer knowledge as a kid. Its part of growing up. Squeegie was just asking for it with a volunerable site like his though. Its a lesson to both... people shouldnt mess with others stuff... and keep your software updated and limit user access or else you are going to get hacked

OK I'll clear it up here. Yes Kraska its drama, and it was a 14 yr old from canada. We kicked him for cursing about a year ago. He found squeegies site, hacked it, then went after [uBp]. I spent a pretty penny and copyrighted the site and trademarked. Once he hacked it, it became 4 class c felonies, and one charge of a gross misdeamor. I'm not sure of the program he used, the web administrator for my site has it now, with alot of other evidence against him. The funny part is that we called his parents and his dad is a lawyer, and will be spending lots of time in court for his son. Actually a FBI situation, its alot of work on our part to make happen, but well worth it.

he's a minor in a non-violent case. And correct me if i'm wrong, but you guys suffered no financial loss or damage. And while the website was hacked, nothing that couldnt be replaced in a matter of minutes was destroyed.

Sounds to me like persuing him is a big waste of time, but if its worth it to you, good luck.

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Isn't it at least the principle of the thing to see to it at that justice, or in this case, punishment is done? Disturbs me that a 14-yr old can hack a website; who knows what his future is going to be like. Maybe he'll become one of those identity theft hackers, or the kind that launches attacks on servers and internet websites like corporations' sites, or maybe even Yahoo!.

His dad will be busy!!

Sorry about all this squeege. Did you back up the site? Cause I notice it's not back up yet.

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If the state or federal government is willing to prosecute in a criminal court, why not? Jail time, house arrest, community service, probation (including not allowing use of computers for a period of time), etc. are all consequences this kid probably has rightly coming. Obviously he has to learn somehow, since his parents have not provided the morals and ethics to prevent such behavior and activity.

However, as Kraska questioned above, I would also question anyone that pursues a civil case in this matter (aimed at a monetary judgement). Actual damages here only amounts to time lost in restoring the site, unless one can prove some other financial impact - i.e. loss of wages, business income, etc.

Moose

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Why hunt moose anyway? We're just big, slow, dumb, and make for easy kills...oops.

1. His dad IS a lawyer lol.

2. Isn't everybody's time worth something? You have to pay a carpenter or an automotive technition correct? Sure the materials are yours but you still have to pay for his skill.

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sheeesh... dont you people watch judge judy?

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I was hoping someone would pick up on the lawyer and no morals/ethics part, hehe.

Is the time to restore the website worth something? Yes, but a lot less if it is a hobby versus a business. Is compensation for that time worth the aggrivation, cost, and time to pursue a civil case --> highly unlikely.

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Why hunt moose anyway? We're just big, slow, dumb, and make for easy kills...oops.

I'm also confused as to why, just because you copywrited the website and the logo, hacking the website becomes 4 class C felonies and a gross misdemeanor. I wasn't aware that copywrite protected you from that sort of thing.

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And the fish grows sadder by the minute.

Ah, I didn't think of the hobby vs. business aspect. Dang that's a tough one.

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