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This isn't about religion, if you need physical evidence to use as an anchor for faith then, your faith is questionable.
Exactly, which is why I have no faith. But anyways, I wonder if they've even thought about digging around the "discovery" and looking for fossils.
I feel sorry for you, but that's coming from one who is a Catholic, with some pragmatic views about religion and worship. But I'm also interested in seeing if they would dig and look for some fossils, and do some carbon dating. We are human, and people need faith, or something to believe in at least. Else, you would be by yourself, while others would unite or join together. History has proven that: go back to the Crusades, back to the Roman Empire, even the Three Kingdoms of Korea. And if there is no faith, then there is a rigid, or at least, very strong doctrine of respect and ethics (Japan Bushido code for example), but even there, there was religion of both national and homespun sort.

Sorry if what I said sounds religious debate, but I just thought I would touch on two points Cyn made, and just try to answer what religion means to me and share that. Besides, there should be no harm in discussing religion as well. I support such notions; having had a number of debates with my friends: Catholics, Protestants, Mormon, Luterhan, Buddhist, Taoist, Islam, and those that don't believe in any deity. :D :D


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Well if you have no problem discussing it, then I suppose I will discuss it with you. I've always known I'm in the minority about this topic not only in the world, but here as well, which is why I never brought it up.
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This isn't about religion, if you need physical evidence to use as an anchor for faith then, your faith is questionable.
Exactly, which is why I have no faith. But anyways, I wonder if they've even thought about digging around the "discovery" and looking for fossils.
I feel sorry for you, but that's coming from one who is a Catholic, with some pragmatic views about religion and worship.
Believe it or not, the feeling is mutual. I was raised in a secular home, I studied many different religions and didn't buy any of them.
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But I'm also interested in seeing if they would dig and look for some fossils, and do some carbon dating.
I am as well, but ultimately I think it would be wasting money away simply because Noah's Ark is supposedly found every few years, always in a different location, and they never bother to dig it up to actually give any confirmation that it is what they claim.
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We are human, and people need faith, or something to believe in at least.
Two things here;

I don't need faith. Also, I don't need faith to have beliefs, either. I prefer to stick to things that have some form of testable evidence or factual validity to them.
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Else, you would be by yourself, while others would unite or join together.
Incorrect. I have and have had plenty of family and friends through out my life, and just recently came across a large group of others who think as I do. People can unite together for many different reasons, and lack of belief in something is one of them.
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History has proven that: go back to the Crusades,
Things like the Crusades, and the Spanish Inquisition, and many other major atrocities are a big reason as to why I am not religious.
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back to the Roman Empire, even the Three Kingdoms of Korea. And if there is no faith, then there is a rigid, or at least, very strong doctrine of respect and ethics (Japan Bushido code for example), but even there, there was religion of both national and homespun sort.
Agreed to a point. However, and what scares me the most in todays world is that people are having a hard time recognizing the differences between nationalism and religion. They are not the same in the least. They are insigificant in the grand scheme of things, anyways. I'm going to give you a quote here so you can understand what I'm saying.
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National boundaries are not evident when we view the Earth from space. Fanatic ethnic or religious or national identifications are a little difficult to support when we see our planet as a fragile blue crescent fading to become an inconspicuous point of light against the bastion and citadel of the stars.
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Sorry if what I said sounds religious debate, but I just thought I would touch on two points Cyn made, and just try to answer what religion means to me and share that. Besides, there should be no harm in discussing religion as well. I support such notions; having had a number of debates with my friends: Catholics, Protestants, Mormon, Luterhan, Buddhist, Taoist, Islam, and those that don't believe in any deity. :D :D
No problems here, as Beggin knows, I actually enjoy religious debates. Religion has always been a very interesting part of human history to me, for reasons that I won't disclose here because I don't want to offend anyone.

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I've been reading this post since the time it's started. Do we even know the meaning of religion? Can anyone give me a EXACT definition that NO ONE will question? I'm ganna come out and say it, I'm Muslim. My religion is Islam. I believe in the Quran. (Holy Book of the muslims) I was born and raised in the US but I DO NOT question my religion. Religion is something that's built in. It's not something that you can take out. If you have no religion, you have no god. Let me ask you this...If there is no God, then how did we come about. We could NOT of just poofed out of thin air. My religion REQUIRES me to Pray 5 times a day. Though I hate it. My religion REQUIRES me to FAST for 1 MONTH from sun-up to sun-down. NO water No Food. To some people religion is going to church. It really depends on what you think YOUR definiton of religion is. My definiton, It's what I believe in. It's what my faith is. It's what keeps me on the right track, It's what keeps me from ALOt of things. In my perspective all of them are good. Islam was the LAST religion to be made, so it's said to be "complete" Now people believe in different things, so some may say that is not true, now I'm not going to say you guys HAVE to agree. But that is a fact from what I have heard. Religion is really a diffucult subject to agree on. That is why God made so many. So people are different, and the world has some change once in a while. The thing is We CAN NOT truely see which one is right. For all we know ALL of them could be correct. Maybe we'll find out when we go to the other world.

RELIGION IS FAITH. FAITH=RELIGION

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I've been reading this post since the time it's started. Do we even know the meaning of religion? Can anyone give me a EXACT definition that NO ONE will question? I'm ganna come out and say it, I'm Muslim. My religion is Islam. I believe in the Quran. (Holy Book of the muslims) I was born and raised in the US but I DO NOT question my religion. Religion is something that's built in. It's not something that you can take out. If you have no religion, you have no god. Let me ask you this...If there is no God, then how did we come about. We could NOT of just poofed out of thin air. My religion REQUIRES me to Pray 5 times a day. Though I hate it. My religion REQUIRES me to FAST for 1 MONTH from sun-up to sun-down. NO water No Food. To some people religion is going to church. It really depends on what you think YOUR definiton of religion is. My definiton, It's what I believe in. It's what my faith is. It's what keeps me on the right track, It's what keeps me from ALOt of things. In my perspective all of them are good. Islam was the LAST religion to be made, so it's said to be "complete" Now people believe in different things, so some may say that is not true, now I'm not going to say you guys HAVE to agree. But that is a fact from what I have heard. Religion is really a diffucult subject to agree on. That is why God made so many. So people are different, and the world has some change once in a while. The thing is We CAN NOT truely see which one is right. For all we know ALL of them could be correct. Maybe we'll find out when we go to the other world.

RELIGION IS FAITH. FAITH=RELIGION
I'd respond to this, but I'm most certain that my response would ignite a flame war and hurt feelings.

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I've been reading this post since the time it's started. Do we even know the meaning of religion? Can anyone give me a EXACT definition that NO ONE will question? I'm ganna come out and say it, I'm Muslim. My religion is Islam. I believe in the Quran. (Holy Book of the muslims) I was born and raised in the US but I DO NOT question my religion. Religion is something that's built in. It's not something that you can take out. If you have no religion, you have no god. Let me ask you this...If there is no God, then how did we come about. We could NOT of just poofed out of thin air. My religion REQUIRES me to Pray 5 times a day. Though I hate it. My religion REQUIRES me to FAST for 1 MONTH from sun-up to sun-down. NO water No Food. To some people religion is going to church. It really depends on what you think YOUR definiton of religion is. My definiton, It's what I believe in. It's what my faith is. It's what keeps me on the right track, It's what keeps me from ALOt of things. In my perspective all of them are good. Islam was the LAST religion to be made, so it's said to be "complete" Now people believe in different things, so some may say that is not true, now I'm not going to say you guys HAVE to agree. But that is a fact from what I have heard. Religion is really a diffucult subject to agree on. That is why God made so many. So people are different, and the world has some change once in a while. The thing is We CAN NOT truely see which one is right. For all we know ALL of them could be correct. Maybe we'll find out when we go to the other world.

RELIGION IS FAITH. FAITH=RELIGION
I'd respond to this, but I'm most certain that my response would ignite a flame war and hurt feelings.

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"Oh snap" is right, time for a lock down. We are rapidly approaching multi-quote, page-length reply threads... agai!n!

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"Oh snap" is right, time for a lock down. We are rapidly approaching multi-quote, page-length reply threads... agai!n!
Heh, I only do that when I have my serious face on ;)

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Well, I think it's been very civil actually. Now, how bout them yankees?


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lol baseball... just made my night... rofl... "baseball" he says


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WOW pretty intense conversation...

It always APPEARED to me that religion/nationalism and the like ended with one result...
a way to seperate ppl instead of bringing ppl together.
NOT that its the intention of these things...but it seems to be the result of these things.
The obvious one is that over the years that wars start over religion/faith
Not sure that was the intention of the "chosen" ones

This is all of course ... IMHO ... i could be wrong as I am alot

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